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Steve K
Wed, Nov. 12th, 2008 10:52 pm
Thoughts on recent voting

For those of you reacting negatively to the Sarah Palin icon, you can relax because I voted for Obama.  When it all came down to it, I am looking for the guy who is going to have the proper temperment, and McCain could run too "hot" for me at times.  People say Obama is too cool and analytical -- shouldn't we want those qualities in the leader of the free world?  That said, I think people are forgetting how much Obama stumbled out of the gate and struggled to find his footing in the debates against some very tough opponents early in the campaign.  Newsweek, to its credit, mentioned this in its special "44" issue that came out at the end of last week.   I do not think Sarah Palin is a moron, I just think she was unprepared to be under the full glare of the media spotlight with no chance to ease into it like Obama did.  I think she has done a fine job overall as governor in Alaska, even though no one's perfect, and I'd like to see her lead some truly genuine soul-searching for the GOP in the coming year.  Does the Republican Party really give a hoot about kids with special needs or young girls who make a mistake, but choose life and carry a pregnancy to term?  Palin's own family is a wonderful microcosm of what the GOP could stand for, if they can put old ideologies and myths about Reagan aside.  As Wayne and Garth would say, "Live in the Now!!!"  By the by, I voted for the Republican governor of Indiana for re-election, so I wasn't "locked" into a particular party.

I hope the passage of Proposition 8 in California convinces people that we are giving the Democrats a chance to get things done, not go wild.  In Connecticut, where the judiciary just forced the issue of "gay marriage" on another state, the vote was 4-3 -- not exactly overwhelming support.  Even Obama and Biden both said they oppose it.  My take on it is this: if two consenting adults want to make a legal contract, that's none of my business.  You can designate who gets your life insurance, who you want to receive health benefits, visit you in the hospital, whatever.  My problem is exemplified in an article I read earlier today:

According to the state public health department, 2,032 civil union licenses were issued in Connecticut between October 2005 and July 2008.
But there was no comparison between civil unions and marriage for Robin Levine-Ritterman and Barbara Levine-Ritterman, who obtained a civil union in 2005 and were among eight same-sex couples who sued for the right to marry.

Note: there is no comparisonPRECISELY.  And that is what gets people who are traditionally religious up in arms; marriage has always been about the partnership between a man and a woman, and they freely admit they want to turn that upside down.  A legal contract, or "civil union" as it can be termed, is one thing and I can go along with it, even if I personally don't adhere to the philosophy that it's an acceptable alternative lifestyle.  Marriage, however, is altogether different and it has distinctly religious connotations.  Yes, yes -- we are flawed human beings who get divorced all the time, and I firmly believe the church should address that issue as strongly as this one, if not more so, but people's behavior is not an argument against the ideal or original intent.  Personally, I'd like to see it a little more difficult to get divorced, if we're going to legislate at all.

If you want to believe the clear majority of California, a liberal state by any standard, has twice been "wrong," who's in denial now?  Plenty of educated and thoughtful people, not radical parrots of the right wing, made an informed decision.  And now, the gay lobbyists are trying to pull a legal stunt that will make the vote invalid!!!  Can you imagine the outcry if the homosexual agenda had passed and some conservative Christians tried to pull this stuff?  I also don't quite know whether to be amused or irritated when gays moan about how much discrimination they face when, as a subset of American culture, they are among the wealthiest and most educated.  Yes, there are horrible instances like Matthew Shepherd from way back when that are simply wrong -- I don't condone violence or murder at any time, whether gay or straight.  But, I think the gay interest groups have had so much success over the past 20 years that they became blinded to what people really think.  A TV show like "Will & Grace" doesn't mean people are ready to adhere to a radical agenda, which is exactly what this is and you're fooling yourself if you think it's not.  It's an attempt to overturn millennia of tradition, with a specific intent to attack conservative Judeo-Christian-Islamic beliefs and norms.  You can see why I might be a little put off by that.  If it was simply a legal matter regarding contracts, where they could get most or all the benefits they desire (i.e. "the lifestyle"), I could go along with it, but both sides know it's about more than that.

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Current Music: Glad - "Acapella Hymns" album


Thu, Nov. 13th, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)

ok - number 1: that Glad album is nice - but my fave is the Acapella Project II.

as for the Prop 8 thing: Personally, I don't have beef with gay people getting married. Not in the least. But I think if folks want to have a 'separate but equal' deal with the whole civil union v. marriage thing, then it should be clear-cut. Government will grant civil unions, churches will grant marriages. All married couples will be viewed by the state as being in a civil union - since that's what it is when it comes to the state, anyway. And if a church does or doesn't want to grant gay people a marriage, that decision is left up to them - as it always has been.

I don't see where anyone would lose in my proposal. And I certainly can't be the first person to whom this occurred....

Thu, Nov. 13th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)

points and nods

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Sarah Mae: Radical, Militant, YA Librarian
Thu, Nov. 13th, 2008 07:00 am (UTC)

I have to say that the "Yes on Prop 8" campaign was very misleading. They kept saying that if it wasn't passed it would affect churches tax exempt status and that schools would be teaching gay marriage. Both of these were untrue. The law had been in effect for 5 months and none of that had happened. Plus I don't consider 52% to be any kind of mandate.
Same-sex marriage has nothing to do with church marriage and everything to do with civil ceremonies. If a heterosexual couple has a civil ceremony, it is still considered a marriage even without a church. I really don't see what the big deal is, no one is forcing churches to marry same-sex couples.

Thu, Nov. 13th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)

Agreed. I can't explain how physically disgusted I got when the Yes on 8 people played the Hate card in their commercials. These were not good Christians pushing stronger family values. These were lies dressed up in hypocrisy.

I know you'll never agree with me < g >, but this law scares me as I've mentioned many times in my journal. I do see the blatant racism in this bill. (By the way; rich gays? Wow so very stereotypically prejudiced. Just... Wow.) And as someone who experiences very similar reactions when going down the street, you're right, I must be imagining these prejudices. We aren't all treated like the master race.

Oh, and... "It's an attempt to overturn millennia of tradition, with a specific intent to attack conservative Judeo-Christian-Islamic beliefs and norms." Uh... Millennia??? Like in Rome? Or Greece? Or how about the marriage contracts in England? It has honestly only been *maybe* the last 100 years that hetero love came into the factors when deciding who would marry. Sure, conservative norms work great for straight men, they just buy themselves a wife. But it sucks for the women.

Yes, grumpy. Sorry. But it is hard to understand your worldview. I just... How can you love your brother if you are jealous and biased against him?

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Thu, Nov. 13th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)

I agree with you about McCain (and most other stuff).

He always struck me as the old guy who'd yell at you for stepping on his grass and let loose his mean dogs.