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spk1121
spk1121
Steve K
Mon, Nov. 28th, 2005 07:51 pm
Deity

I think one of the most egotisical things that humans do is say something along the lines of, "God is whomever or whatever you want him to be."  First off, the concept of a deity implies that you are not in charge and that someone or something supernatural is -- it really shouldn't be up to you how He/She/It acts!  Second of all, you know anyone who says such a thing would get all defensive if someone tried to "label" or "define" them.  So how is it that they feel free to dictate how God should behave?

If God exists, He is who He is.  We may admit we might have a flawed understanding of Him (Her, It), but I think we should acknowledge that this doesn't mean God changes to correspond with every person's perceptions.  I may present a different facade to people at home, school, work, or with friends, but my core essence remains pretty consistent.  So, too, does God interact with people in varying ways but that doesn't change who He is.  People may believe that God either exists or He doesn't -- someone's right, someone's wrong, it's as simple as that.  If He does exist, He is God.  Period.  Not "my god" or "my view of God," but God.  He is who He is; when Moses asked Him who He was, the response was simple and very clear: I AM.

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sauoceangirly
sauoceangirly
Deena
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 01:46 am (UTC)

Thanks for that post :) The major part of our walk is learning to trust Him and the further along we get, the more and more He reveals Himself to us.


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basswhooper
basswhooper
basswhooper
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 02:02 am (UTC)
Dude, I could rant on this for some time...

... But I won't. I will, however, say that your point above is one of the best arguments against the Unitarian Universalist (and ELCA?) belief that, "Whether you call God Allah, I AM, Budda, Krishna, whatever... It's all the same God."

BULL!!!

If you agree that there is a God, then given His omnipotence (and lack of capitulation to our desires regarding His nature), would all of His edicts and moral systems (i.e.- the holy writings of all religions) be identical? Sure they would. And the fact that they are not is, to me, evidence that it is NOT all the same God.

Well said, man.


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tv_elf
tv_elf
tv-elf
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 03:25 am (UTC)
Re: Dude, I could rant on this for some time...

Yet, I respectfully disagree. (Oh, c'mon, you knew I would.;)

Some people see me as the playful jokester others see me as the no-nonsense worker. I am both. And more. I do not think God is Buddah or Krishna or the goddess. But I do think God is Y-w-h is Allah. Just seen through different eyes and translated by misogynistic men. (Which is a discussion for another day.)


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basswhooper
basswhooper
basswhooper
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 11:37 pm (UTC)
Good to hear from you...

One of my favorite arguments against the Yahweh is Allah statement came from a friend who is now an atheist. (moriarty6.It's a long story...)

Before becoming an atheist, he once stated "Any God incapable of getting His word to us is not worth worshipping." I.E.- God either is or isn't all-powerful. If He indeed is (as I believe), then misogynistic men, political machinations, personal preferences, different eyes, mistranslations (intentional and accidental) can in no way overcome His power and His will to make himself truly known to us.

Let me say (as respectfully as I know how) that your view:

A) limits God's power (if he cannot get His unadulterated word to us), and:

B) is an attempt by humans to horn in on His work and His glory. (Yeah, God's there and he's done some stuff, but I just so happened to be smart enough to winnow through the wheat and the chaff to get at the TRUTH.)

While I am a staunch Libertarian and would fight and die for your right to believe differently than I do, as a Christian who believes that El Shaddai means El Shaddai, I must strongly disagree. (But disagree smiling!)


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tv_elf
tv_elf
tv-elf
Wed, Nov. 30th, 2005 12:33 am (UTC)
Re: Good to hear from you...

New Hampshire abstains... courteously. ;) Yes, I've seen 1776 too often.

I think His Word gets to people. I also think He made a huge mistake... He made us stubborn fools. It isn't that He is incapable of getting His Word to us. It's that we stick our fingers in our ears and sing "lalala can't hear you." When of course, we CAN hear. We just might not want to...

I don't think misogynistic men, politics, or anything can overcome His power. I think they can be noisy and obnoxious and they will try to horn in on His glory. It's not being "smart enough" to hear His Word. It is God whapping you upside the head with a clue bat.


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spk1121
spk1121
Steve K
Sun, Dec. 4th, 2005 03:33 am (UTC)
1776

I'm pretty sure it was New York that abstained... courteously.


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yourmamachula
YourMamaChula
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 03:05 am (UTC)
*three snaps*

you tell 'em, spk!!! :) i have to disagree with your second poster-- as far as the "Allah" part... no one calls buddha god, but beyond that, (spk, you prob know this already) Christian God and Muslim Allah really ARE the same god, as both faiths originated from the old testament and deviated at a later point. It's the relationship to Christ that's different... Anyway, I agree with most of what you said!


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leoetiquette
leoetiquette
Mary Jack
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 04:28 am (UTC)
Re: *three snaps*

A God who reveals Himself as Jesus must be different than a God who refuses to reveal Himself as Jesus. The Father of the Son of Man cannot also be the God who would never become incarnate.

I think it's easily believable that faith can have different sources.


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basswhooper
basswhooper
basswhooper
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 11:43 pm (UTC)
Re: *three snaps*

Hey there! As I told tv_elf above (and in prior exchanges, I like to be able to disagree with folks without being disagreeable.

That said, one cannot compare the Quran and the Bible (even the Old Testament alone) and say that they are identical. And you have pointed out the biggest difference: the Bible is quite clear (from Genesis 3 forward) that God would provide a Savior for mankind. Islam is salvation by works, which is contrary to salvation by the grace of God through faith in Christ.

But again, I disagree with a smile. Disagreement is a God-given, Constitutionally protected right, so "rock on" says I.


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yourmamachula
YourMamaChula
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC)
Re: *three snaps*

1- i never said the Qu'ran and the Bible are identical. They certainly aren't. Muslims, however, share the OLD TESTAMENT with Christians.
2- I am aware of the basis of my faith. Thanks.


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yourmamachula
YourMamaChula
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 03:13 am (UTC)
oh yeah....

a friend invited me to a unitarian universalist service once... and I figured "why not? can't hurt to go see what my friend believes in!"...it was super confusing...cause...I couldn't figure out what the beliefs actually WERE! (the community stuff was all good and well, but I still didn't get it).


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basswhooper
basswhooper
basswhooper
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 11:45 pm (UTC)
Re: oh yeah....

Had the same thing happen here in Chattanooga. Wierd stuff. Good, friendly folks, but wierd nonetheless.


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yourmamachula
YourMamaChula
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC)
Re: oh yeah....

yeah everyone was super nice, but I was like...ok...what are the basics here??? *scratches head*


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jesc
jesc
Lady Miss Jessica
Tue, Nov. 29th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC)

If God exists, He is who He is.

Exactly. The more you try to define "God" the farther removed from "God" you become. People who fail to realize this may never truly know God.


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