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Steve K
Sat, Jul. 2nd, 2005 06:55 pm
Demonic

So, I am wondering who out there believes in the existence of demons.  I suppose a corollary question would be: Is there a hell?  I believe in both; supernatural forces are out there.  I guess I just wonder how much they affect daily life and routine, though.  I mean, we have all heard or even seen dramatic accounts of exorcisms and such.  Still, I think the devil is most effective when he is using subtlety and misdirection.

For instance, sickness may be related to the presence of a demon.  The Bible talks about driving out demons and such; we tend to dismiss these accounts as mumbo-jumbo.  I don't know, though.  I tend to think that just as there may be a physical parasite (virus, bacterium), there is an accompanying spiritual parasite.  That would also include diseases that are mental or chemically induced; epilepsy is often thought to be the medical diagnosis of certain New Testament stories. God is His grace sometimes allows  the medicine to act to remove the physical element, and with the accompanying faith in those healing abilities, He removes the harmful spiritual element.  Perhaps?

Anyway, I was just interested in what folks thought about this.  It's not something you hear much about nowadays, but I do believe in both the seen and the unseen.  Share your thoughts, crazy people! ;)

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Zach E
Sun, Jul. 3rd, 2005 01:25 am (UTC)

I don't tend to spend much thought on the devil. He's not worthy of it. Our thought should be directed upwards don't you think? I tend to be of the belief that God works through people most of the time. Rare are the instances of bona fide miracles in our age. I have heard stories, but they are few and far between. I suppose that comes from my methodist upbringing. Methodists always tend to put a lot of heavy emphasis on the love aspect of our relationship with God and downplay the role of the devil in our lives. They acknowledge his existance and warn against him, yes, but their mention of him is always in passing, focusing instead upwards and asking how we can improve ourselves.


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Steve K
Sun, Jul. 3rd, 2005 05:53 pm (UTC)
Bona fide miracles

I dunno... ignoring the nasty man standing behind you won't stop him from putting a knife in your back. I agree that our attention should be focused upwards and that we should call on God for protection and guidance, but I think it's dangerous to ignore what "the other side" is saying and doing.

Anyway, I am more interested in demons in general here, not just the head honcho. My question is related to the "ho-hum" activiies of everyday life, not just spectacular possessions in need of exorcism. In other words, how much do supernatural forces (both good and evil) play in daily life, if at all? That's what I am wondering about, and am interested in getting people's opinions on. Thanks for sharing, please continue to do so! :)


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captainwolf
captainwolf
Sun, Jul. 3rd, 2005 02:26 am (UTC)

I am going to have to say no. As an existentialist I don't believe in any higher power be it from up above or down below. I believe that people do the things they do cuz of what they have been through as a person and what kind of person they are. I don't think anyone is born evil, just made that way. No one is born a saint, just made that way. As a baby we are nothing. life goes on around us and from it we learn who we are and what kind of person we have become. Thats just my thoughts on it all.


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Mike
Sun, Jul. 3rd, 2005 06:31 am (UTC)

I don't. I mean, perhaps there are malicious beings beyond our understanding/ken/perception that plague us, but that's a mere possibility and it's unlikely. I don't believe that anyone knows for sure, but until I see something to make me believe, it's just a fairy tale.

I'm not very religious, and not far from agnostic. What did you expect? :)


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Kim
Sun, Jul. 3rd, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC)

Well, growing up in mostly the same religious background as you, I have many very similar beliefs... and this is certainly one of them. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that when you have a sickness you might also have some demon presence... but I do believe they are out there.


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Lady Miss Jessica
Sat, Jul. 16th, 2005 05:43 am (UTC)

Before my family moved to Fort Wayne, we went to a Baptist church (in Highland, IN) that would cast demons out of people. When I think back on it, I'm not sure whether the people being prayed over were really possessed by demons or not. Some people might have been acting the part or something.. But others really seemed to be affected by a "demon" and seemed to benefit by having the demon "cast out".

It wasn't that long ago that I took an abnormal psychology class, and we discussed how in ancient times different cultures would blame mental problems on "demons" and try to help the affected person by drilling a hole in his or her skull, for example. I think that although we have found other explainations for problems such as mental illness or epilepsy, there may still be instances where people have been affected by a demon.

Anyway, although this is an interesting topic, I haven't thought about this stuff in quite awhile. I think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone post anything on LJ about demons or anything of the sort. I had to comment because of the novelty, if anything! ;)


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Steve K
Sat, Jul. 16th, 2005 05:52 am (UTC)
abnormal psychology

I think that although we have found other explainations for problems such as mental illness or epilepsy, there may still be instances where people have been affected by a demon.
Right. I was thinking maybe there is a correlation between the natural and the supernatural -- a shared influence, if you will. Not saying I know for sure, but I think it's an interesting theory. *shrugs*

I think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone post anything on LJ about demons or anything of the sort. I had to comment because of the novelty, if anything!
Ha, ha, ha! Yeah, I can be a bit of an oddball sometimes. But a lovable one, I like to think! Anyway, I appreciate you leaving a couple comments. I added you as an LJ friend, if that's OK. Feel free to reciprocate, but do not feel obligated to do so! I try not to take such things personally. *LOL*


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